BBBBXXI - SATURDAY Run List & Signups

[YetiBronco22]

I'm leading that run, it should be fun! As for gear, this is a super easy trail, so no heavy duty recovery gear is going to be needed for this trip. You also don't have to air down, but you might consider it for a "smother" ride. If that's the case you'll need a way to air back up again at the end of the run. Also note that we are doing both Wildhorse and Coon Creek, so we might be out there during lunch time depending on how quick we go. If you can handle a late lunch, then no bother, you can grab it when you get back to Big Bear. If the kids are tired at the end of Wildhorse, you can alway head back to Big Bear on 38 from the south trailhead while we head over to Coon Creek to continue the fun. Finally, if you have a radio so you can communicate with the group, that would be great. That's it, it's gonna be a blast! See you there.

sweet looking forward to it, thanks

 

[jviz4u]

Hello all experienced rollers.

I’m a new rider with 22 OuterBanks with original 32“ wheels and no skids. Should I consider mid trails or should focus on easy only?

 

[BadSquatch]

Hello all experienced rollers.

I’m a new rider with 22 OuterBanks with original 32“ wheels and no skids. Should I consider mid trails or should focus on easy only?

Do you have any rocker protection? Some of the more recently experienced might be better qualified to answer than me, but in my opinion, without rocker protection, with 32's, open diffs, and no under body protection (skid plates), I would stick with the easy. You probably CAN do the moderate trails, but it's going to mean you have to have excellent tire placement (and excellent spotter), and the occasional tug from someone else , the possibly of a little rock stacking, and you risk the possibility of some body damage. But it can be done, and if you like that level of pucker factor, it would be great fun!

 

[Dusty]

Hello all experienced rollers.

I’m a new rider with 22 OuterBanks with original 32“ wheels and no skids. Should I consider mid trails or should focus on easy only?

I'd suggest sticking to the runs marked Easy (4WD). I think in the hands of a more experienced driver, your Bronco could make it on some of the milder of the Medium runs (Horsethief, possibly Heartbreak, probably not Little John Bull and definitely not Gold Mountain). But if you truly are "new", I'd suggest getting to know your new Bronco by starting out easy rather than jumping right into something that might be at the upper limits of it's technical capabilities. Even those Easy runs should provide several opportunities to veer into some rougher sections of the route if you want to try things out a bit. BBBB is only once a year but those mountains and trails are there year-round so you can come back up any time with your new Bronco friends when you feel you and your Bronco are ready to take it to the next level.

 

[bongriv23]

Hi, I'm new in the forum. Also first-timer off-roading. Any suggestions would be much appreciated, Thanks!

 

[Dusty]

Hi, I'm new in the forum. Also first-timer off-roading. Any suggestions would be much appreciated, Thanks!

Welcome to So Cal Broncos. Are you coming to BBBB and asking for trail suggestions? Let us know more about your Bronco and how it's equipped, and we'll try to give you our best suggestions.

 

[bongriv23]

Welcome to So Cal Broncos. Are you coming to BBBB and asking for trail suggestions? Let us know more about your Bronco and how it's equipped, and we'll try to give you our best suggestions.

Thank you. Yes going to BBBB, and I singed up for the Wild Horse/Cook Creek Trail. I have a '21 OBX with 33" tire. Its my first time going out in the wild with my Bronco.

 

[BadSquatch]

Thank you. Yes going to BBBB, and I singed up for the Wild Horse/Cook Creek Trail. I have a '21 OBX with 33" tire. Its my first time going out in the wild with my Bronco.

Yup, being a first timer with that config, I would suggest sticking to the easy runs for now. Pioneer Town, BTW, should be fun, especially if you haven't visited there before.

 

[jviz4u]

I'd suggest sticking to the runs marked Easy (4WD). I think in the hands of a more experienced driver, your Bronco could make it on some of the milder of the Medium runs (Horsethief, possibly Heartbreak, probably not Little John Bull and definitely not Gold Mountain). But if you truly are "new", I'd suggest getting to know your new Bronco by starting out easy rather than jumping right into something that might be at the upper limits of it's technical capabilities. Even those Easy runs should provide several opportunities to veer into some rougher sections of the route if you want to try things out a bit. BBBB is only once a year but those mountains and trails are there year-round so you can come back up any time with your new Bronco friends when you feel you and your Bronco are ready to take it to the next level.

OK, Sorry, It looks like you stack with me on Clark's / Radford trail.

 

[bongriv23]

Yup, being a first timer with that config, I would suggest sticking to the easy runs for now. Pioneer Town, BTW, should be fun, especially if you haven't visited there before.

I will definitely put that on my list.

 

[biltoo]

Yup, I saw that. So assume we run Wildhorse North to South, pick up 38 and then Coon Creek either east to west or west to east in a loop starting/ending on 38, any recommendation on which direction would be better?

Hi, It's my first bash but life got in the way and I can't get there till Sat AM...Can I ask where on Brownie Ln?

I wanted to do Coon Creek but hey Wildhorse sounds like a bonus.

From what I read they aren't narrow or especially rocky for a full size on 35's. It's mostly a desert truck and I'm hoping to keep the rockers straight.

 

[Dusty]

Hi, It's my first bash but life got in the way and I can't get there till Sat AM...Can I ask where on Brownie Ln?

I wanted to do Coon Creek but hey Wildhorse sounds like a bonus.

From what I read they aren't narrow or especially rocky for a full size on 35's. It's mostly a desert truck and I'm hoping to keep the rockers straight.

I'm going to compile and post the list of exact locations for each of the staging areas soon. But the Brownie Lane staging area will be in the large Bear Mountain overflow parking lot at the corner of Brownie Lane and Moonridge Road. Here's a Google Maps link.

You won't have any problems at all on either of those trails.

 

[BadSquatch]

Hi, It's my first bash but life got in the way and I can't get there till Sat AM...Can I ask where on Brownie Ln?

I wanted to do Coon Creek but hey Wildhorse sounds like a bonus.

From what I read they aren't narrow or especially rocky for a full size on 35's. It's mostly a desert truck and I'm hoping to keep the rockers straight.

@biltoo I'm leading that run on Sat., and you should have NO PROBLEMS on any of those trails with that rig! These are more scenic than technical. But it should still be a lot of fun! My plan is to have us all meet on Bownie Ln., and then head down Sand Canyon to 2N27 which intersects with Wildhorse (2N93) near the north end of that trail. Then head south down Wildhorse (2N93) until we reach the south trailhead at Hwy 38. Then we head over on 38 to the trailhead for Coon Creek which we will take as a loop that ends on 38 again. At least that's the plan for now. for those with OnX and/or GAIGPS I'll upload some .gpx files you can pull into those programs which have some cool waypoints in them. I'll also upload some links to Google Maps that show the meeting locations, as well as how to get to the trailhead for 2N27.

 

[nbronc5]

Curious on what equipment is needed for the mediam and difficult trails. Have been on 6 and 7 rated trails where 35s minumum and rear lockers are needed....want to push the limits a little but not hold anyone up

 

[KD6TAV]

Curious on what equipment is needed for the mediam and difficult trails. Have been on 6 and 7 rated trails where 35s minumum and rear lockers are needed....want to push the limits a little but not hold anyone up

@Dusty has done an amazing job in putting this site together. If you go to the BBBB section of the website and click on “trails” it lists the trails and what is needed. https://socalbroncos.net/bbbb/ I would say look at John Bull and/or Holcomb Creek. Maybe Dishpan

 

[Dusty]

Curious on what equipment is needed for the mediam and difficult trails. Have been on 6 and 7 rated trails where 35s minumum and rear lockers are needed....want to push the limits a little but not hold anyone up

There's a brief description of each of the trail ratings in the Trails section of the BBBB page (Link). "Moderate" trails are described as:

Moderate trails are best suited for upgraded 4X4’s with at least one traction device, preferably a “hard” locker, and at least 33″ tires. Body damage is not likely, however rocker panel protection may come in handy for the occasional obstacle. Airing down for traction is recommended, so tire deflators and a method to air back up would be helpful. Trails may also get a Moderate rating for having long, sustained climbs which may tax cooling systems. Be sure your vehicle is in good working order, travel in groups and carry recovery gear and emergency equipment.

Difficult trails are described as:

Difficult trails are best tackled in a lifted 4X4 with at least 35″ tires and two lockers, at least one of which is a “hard” locker. Sturdy bumpers and body armor are recommended to prevent sheet metal damage, especially in the rocker panel area. Airing down will be necessary. Recovery operations should be expected, so it is recommended to have at least one winch in the group as well as recovery straps and suitable attachment points on all vehicles. Fuel, brakes, steering and cooling systems should all be in top shape. Travel in groups and be prepared for emergencies. Carry extra food, water, warm clothes and lighting, and be prepared for a long day on the trail, possibly stretching into night.

Hope that helps. I'm not exactly sure what a "6 and 7 rated trail" is, since every area has different trail ratings systems. My best guess is that the hardest of the Big Bear trails with the exception of Sidewinder/Mottino, would probably fall somewhere in that area (6 or 7 on a scale of 10).

 

[BadSquatch]

@biltoo I'm leading that run on Sat., and you should have NO PROBLEMS on any of those trails with that rig! These are more scenic than technical. But it should still be a lot of fun! My plan is to have us all meet on Bownie Ln., and then head down Sand Canyon to 2N27 which intersects with Wildhorse (2N93) near the north end of that trail. Then head south down Wildhorse (2N93) until we reach the south trailhead at Hwy 38. Then we head over on 38 to the trailhead for Coon Creek which we will take as a loop that ends on 38 again. At least that's the plan for now. for those with OnX and/or GAIGPS I'll upload some .gpx files you can pull into those programs which have some cool waypoints in them. I'll also upload some links to Google Maps that show the meeting locations, as well as how to get to the trailhead for 2N27.

Ok folks, as promised. Here's a Google Maps link to where we will be meeting at 9AM. Once we are all there and ready to go, the first leg of our trip will be to head through town to the 2N27 trailhead. Here's a link to the GPX file that you can import into OnX, GAIGPS, etc. for 2N27. We will continue on 2N27 until we reach 2N93 (Widhorse Meadows) where we will turn south and follow 2N93 (WildHorse Meadows) south until we reach Hwy 38. Here's a link for the Wildhorse trail's GPX file. Once we reach Hwy 38 we will head over to the trailhead for Coon Creek. You can find that on Google Maps here. Coon Creek is normally an up and back trail, but SCB has found an alternative to that which makes it a loop back up to Hwy 38. Here's the GPX file that outlines that route. Once we reach Hwy 38 you can grab that to take you back to Big Bear, or where ever you want to go. I'm considering hitting anther easy trail on the way back. that would, of course, be completely optional of I do decide to do that and I'll let you know what I have in mind a little later if you are interested. My guess is that the First part (2N27 and 2N93) i.e. Wild Horse Meadows will likely take 2-2.5 hours depending on how often we stop to enjoy the views and take pictures. The second trail looks like it's about 1-1.5 hours in length. So, that's a total of 4 hours max. maybe less which could put you back in Big Bear in time for a late lunch if we leave at 9AM. Another option would be to leave a little later, take or time, and stop for a picnic lunch somewhere on the trail. I'm curious about everyone's thoughts on that?

 

[Mark]

I always encourage everyone to bring trail snacks and plenty of water. These runs always take a lot longer when you get 10 + rigs together. Stick to the 9:00am leave time, you’d be lucky to roll out by 9:30. Airing down at the trailhead and general BS’n while that goes on takes a bit of time as well. Thank you @BadSquatch for stepping up and leading a run. I’m looking forward to meeting you.

Mark

 

[Dusty]

Like Mark said. Always plan for lunch on the trail. Nothing ever goes as smoothly as you think, even on the easy runs. Plus, the easy runs are meant to be at a leisurely pace, frequent stops for cold beverages and bullshitting. There should be no hurry to get back to town by lunch time. If you get back that fast, you missed a lot of cool stuff along the way.

 

[BadSquatch]

Like Mark said. Always plan for lunch on the trail. Nothing ever goes as smoothly as you think, even on the easy runs. Plus, the easy runs are meant to be at a leisurely pace, frequent stops for cold beverages and bullshitting. There should be no hurry to get back to town by lunch time. If you get back that fast, you missed a lot of cool stuff along the way.

Perfect! I have a bunch of waypoints from Trails Off-road that are supposed to be good spots to take in the views. I'll plan on stopping at some/all of them so people can take pictures, and like you said, grab a drink, or something to eat, etc.