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BBBBXXII - FRIDAY RUN LIST & SIGNUPS

Choose your FRIDAY run for BBBBXXII

  • 9:00am HOLCOMB CREEK (Dificult) - Stage: Fanwskin Fire Station - Leader: DIY

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Dusty

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THIS THREAD/POLL WILL FUNCTION AS OUR SIGNUP SHEET! Please indicate your Run Choice for FRIDAY of Bronco Bash, June 9, 2023, by casting your "vote" in this poll. This vote is not binding, you may change your choice at any time. This just gives us an idea of how many people are interested in this run, and if it needs a run leader or can be left as a DIY run. Please note the TIME and STAGE area for each run. The TIME noted is the time the run leader will leave the staging area for the trail, so please show up in plenty of time to be ready to leave at that time, including any necessary bullshitting, tire kicking, etc. Show up at the staging area already FUELED UP and ready to go.

IMPORTANT: Details for each run are in the next post below. Further information on the various trails, along with maps, photos from past runs, descriptions and difficulty notes, can be found HERE. A list of Staging areas with their exact locations can be found HERE. If you have any questions or want to chat with other members about any of the Friday runs, please feel free to do so here in this thread.

RUNS LIMITED TO 20 VEHICLES. Please choose a different run if the one you're thinking of is already close to 20 rigs. While we can't enforce this, we hope everyone will be courteous and help us spread out our impact on the trail system. EXCEPTION: No vehicle limit on the Bronco Knoll run.

DIY RUNS Several of our proposed runs did not attract a volunteer Run Leader. I have left these on the list as "DIY" runs. That means you are still welcome to run it, but you will be on your own for navigation. If you decide to do one of these DIY runs, please show up at the designated staging area and time and join up with any others who still want to go. Someone among you will need to find your way for the group. This isn't that difficult. Many of the trails have detailed information on the So Cal Broncos static web page or a GPX file I may have provided as a download. If you show up and you are the only one, I suggest choosing something else to do as we do not recommend wheeling out in the back-country alone.
 
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FRIDAY RUNS

LADIES RUN

Run Leader: Steffie Sharp @Steffiesharp Tailgunner: Nicole Beale @lilfordwmn
Staging: 9:00am departure from Boulder Bay Parking Lot (click for map)
This an Adults Only Ladies Run. There are NO MEN OR CHILDREN allowed on this run. This is intended as a chance for the ladies to get on the trail in their Broncos and build their confidence on the trail without the men driving from the passenger seat or other distractions. This run is suitable for anyone from beginners to experienced wheelers who just want hang out on the trail with their fellow Bronco Babes for a few hours. The route will string together several trails that progress from Easy (Upper Holcomb Creek - More Info) to Medium (The Squeeze - More Info), with the option to continue on to another Medium section (Little John Bull - More Info) for those feeling adventurous at the end. This run stages at Boulder Bay Park, just west of the Majestic Moose on Big Bear Boulevard. IMPORTANT: Please respect the participation restrictions as stated above.​

OVERLAND TO BIG BEAR
Run Leader: DIY​
Staging: 9:00am departure from the Mill Creek Ranger Station in Mentone, CA​
GPS Route Files: ONX Off-Road App | Download GPX File
THIS IS A "DIY" RUN. Our original run leader has had to bow out due to family matters. You may still run this trail but you will be on your own for navigation.
NOTE: The Staging Location and route have been changed due to the lingering trail closures from the winter storms.
This run is offered as a fun way to actually get TO Big Bear rather than just driving up the highway. It starts at the Mill Creek Ranger Station in Mentone, and goes up Highway 38 through Mill Creek Canyon just a short distance to Forest Road 1N12. This road winds up the steep sides of Mill Creek Canyon offering spectacular views up the canyon towards Forest Falls. The road continues north, through a saddle and winds its way up to picturesque Thomas Hunting Grounds, eventually coming back to Highway 38 at Angelus Oaks. After only a few hundred feet up Highway 38, the route plunges down Middle Control Road toward the bottom of the Santa Ana River Gorge, passing a waterfall or two along the way (depending on runoff). After crossing the river, the route hops onto Forest Road 1N09 and 1N54 very briefly before turning on to Frontline Road 1N04 for the scenic trip up through the gorge. Frontline Road meanders through meadow and creeks as it roughly parallels the Santa Ana River until coming back to Highway 38 where the highway crosses the river. Trekkers will then hop back on Highway 38 for a couple of miles before transitioning back to dirt for the final climb up and over the mountain into Big Bear. This will be via Wildhorse Meadows Road 2N93, with its grand vistas of Mount San Gorgonio. The final trek into Big Bear is via Sand Canyon Road 2N27, which comes back to pavement in the Moonridge area of Big Bear.​

WILDHORSE MEADOWS (Trail Info) & COON CREEK (Trail Info)
Run Leader: DIY​
Staging: 9:00am departure from the Brownie Lane overflow parking lot (click for map)
THIS IS A "DIY" RUN. As there was no volunteer run leader, you may still run this trail but you will be on your own for navigation.
Wildhorse Meadows is an easy trail for stock vehicles. It does reach an elevation of 8700 feet, so weather conditions can quickly change, and snow is common in winter. The route starts near Highway 38 a short distance south of the Erwin Ranch Area (it can also be reached from Big Bear through Moonridge and Sand Canyon Road). After a long climb up a shoulder of Sugarloaf mountain, the route passes through a saddle and descends into picturesque Wildhorse Meadows. From there it emerges overlooking the Santa Ana River drainage with great views of Mount San Gorgonio and Ten Thousand Foot Ridge in the distance. The trail ends at Highway 38 near Hart Bar Campground.​
Coon Creek is an easy route with spectacular views. The trail may be run in either direction, but is traditionally started at the west end at Heart Bar Campground. The route passes through a group of well-used equestrian and yellow post campsites as well as crossing the Pacific Coast Trail twice, so be courteous of campers, horses and hikers. Coon Creek Jumpoff offers a spectacular view of the desert to the southeast of the San Bernardino Mountains including the Coachella Valley and Palm Springs, and on a clear day a distant glimpse of the Salton Sea.​

BRONCO KNOLL
Run Leader: Randy Ludwig @Bukin'eer
Staging: 9:00am departure from the Big Bear Convention Center (click for map)
THIS IS A "DIY" RUN. As there was no volunteer run leader, you may still run this trail but you will be on your own for navigation.
This will be a first for Big Bear Bronco Bash, with a run to Bronco Knoll, down in the desert by Lucerne Valley. Hunt for the "Easter Egg" coordinates that Ford hid inside every 2021+ Ford Bronco to commemorate the Johnson Valley proving grounds where the new Bronco earned its blue oval. This is a "must see" destination for every Bronco enthusiast. Note that there are about 30 miles of pavement before hitting the dirt, as well as about 3,000 feet in elevation drop so it may be quite warm out on the desert floor. The climb up Bronco Knoll is suitable for all Broncos, though at least 32" tires are recommended on some of the rockier approaches.​

HORSETHIEF FLAT Click Here for Trail Info
Run Leader: DIY​
Staging: 9:00am departure from the Mormon Church parking lot (click for map)
THIS IS A "DIY" RUN. As there was no volunteer run leader, you may still run this trail but you will be on your own for navigation.
Located to the east of Baldwin Dry Lake, Horsethief Flat is a hidden valley located at the end of a steep, winding trail (FS Road 3N03A). While not overly difficult, the long climb out can be technical, as well as a challenge to cooling systems.​

BURNS CANYON
Run Leader: Dusty Sharp @Dusty
Staging: 9:00am departure from Big Bear High School (click for map)
This route will string together several shorter, little-traveled routes into one big adventure with up to medium difficulty in some places. The route will begin at easy Balky Horse Canyon (Trail Info) then continue on through Broom Flat on 2N01 to 2N61Y through Round Valley Trail (Trail Info). Then it's back up Burns Canyon Road to the short but fun Rattler Loop (Trail Info) then up to the scenic vistas of Tip Top Mountain before heading back to Big Bear. Along the way you might see old mine workings, some of the world's largest Joshua Trees, an ancient Spanish smelter, and more.​

WHITE MOUNTAIN TRAIL
Run Leader: DIY​
Staging: 9:00am departure from Big Bear Discovery Center (click for map)
THIS IS A "DIY" RUN. As there was no volunteer run leader, you may still run this trail but you will be on your own for navigation.
I don't have much current info on this one, as it's been many years since anyone has run it during Big Bear Bronco Bash. White Mountain is a medium-rated trail that follows a ridge line on the northern crest of the San Bernardino Mountains, with spectacular views of the Mojave Desert below. The route features some hill climbs but shouldn't be too challenging for most Broncos.​

HEARTBREAK RIDGE Click Here for Trail Info
Run Leader: DIY​
THIS IS A "DIY" RUN. As there was no volunteer run leader, you may still run this trail but you will be on your own for navigation.
Note that the staging area is 16 miles (typically 25-30 minute drive) from the Majestic Moose Lodge. Please plan accordingly and arrive on time. Heartbreak Ridge is a special place for So Cal Broncos, as the Alan Rowe Monument was placed here and dedicated during BBBBIV back in 2005. The trail is rocky, with some long sustained climbs to test your cooling system. Also known as “Pontiac Sluice” due to the old car that sits abandoned in a wash along the way, the trail has no Forest Service road number designation.​

DISHPAN SPRINGS Click Here for Trail Info
Run Leader: DIY​
THIS IS A "DIY" RUN. As there was no volunteer run leader, you may still run this trail but you will be on your own for navigation.
The eastern-most trail usually ran at Big Bear Bronco Bash, Dishpan Springs covers a section of Forest Road 3N34 from 3N16 (north of Green Valley Lake) westward to where it crosses Deep Creek, east of Lake Arrowhead. There are several Medium rated obstacles along the way, but the trail gets its Difficult rating from one major section known as “The Waterfall”, Devil’s Slide, or several other names. It consists of a steep, deeply rutted rock face. This one obstacle has caused more roll-overs and “flops” for So Cal Broncos members than any other place in the Big Bear area. Use caution, patience and a good spotter.​

GOLD MOUNTAIN Click Here for Trail Info
Run Leader: DIY​
Staging: 9:00am departure from the Gold Mountain trailhead (click for map)
THIS IS A "DIY" RUN. As there was no volunteer run leader, you may still run this trail but you will be on your own for navigation.
Gold Mountain is located northeast of Big Bear Lake, along the north shore of Baldwin Dry Lake. We used to classify Gold Mountain as a Medium Trail, but deterioration of the most challenging obstacle on the trail pushes it slightly into the Difficult category. The trail runs the length of Forest Road 3N69 from the shore of Baldwin Dry Lake, up steep switchbacks, over rocky ledges and across the barren talus slope to the peak of Gold Mountain, and down the north side to where it ends at 3N16. This trail may still be considered Medium Difficulty when ran in the north-to-south direction.​

JOHN BULL Click Here for Trail Info
Run Leader: Rob Postle @Felix 808
Discussion Thread: Click Here
One of Big Bear’s toughest trails, “Big” John Bull (to differentiate it from “Little” John Bull, which is included in the Medium Trails section), traverses Forest Service Road 3N10 from it’s junction with Union Flat Rd (3N32) on the east end, to 3N43 on the west. The trail is slightly easier in the west-to-east direction, as most of the rocky sections are downhill. In either direction expect scraped up rims and dented rocker panels if not properly protected.​

HOLCOMB CREEK Click Here for Trail Info
Run Leader: DIY​
Staging: 9:00am departure from the Fawnskin Fire Station (click for map)
THIS IS A "DIY" RUN. As there was no volunteer run leader, you may still run this trail but you will be on your own for navigation.
Forest Service Road 3N93 runs along Holcomb Creek, from its intersection with the easy, well-traveled 3N14 on the east end north of Fawnskin, until it meets with 3N16 at its west end north of Green Valley Lake. The trail may be ran in either direction, with several major and minor rock gardens, creek crossings and hill climbs along the way. This is arguably the toughest trail in the mountaintop section of the Big Bear area. If time permits it can be run in both directions, or tack on Lower Large Flats (Trail Info) for the return trip.​

SIDEWINDER Click Here for Trail Info
Run Leader: Jeff Halstensgaard @12-Pack Jeff
Staging: 9:00am departure from The Journey Church (click for map) - please use the dirt area next to their parking lot.​
The toughest trail in the San Bernardino Mountains, though it’s down the eastern slope close to the desert floor. Accessed through Rattlesnake Canyon, Sidewinder will test your body protection (rocker rails are recommended), tire sidewalls and cooling system. (Note: other groups refer to this trail as “Mottino Wash,” if you would like to look it up online)​
 
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I’m usually pretty tech savvy and I CANNOT figure out how to change my Friday vote!
At the bottom of the run list there's a button for "Change Vote". Click on that and choose a different run then click the "Cast Vote" button at the bottom.
 
Got a first timer coming up in his bone stock 89 FS on 33’s… Think he’ll manage Burns Canyon run?
 
Got a first timer coming up in his bone stock 89 FS on 33’s… Think he’ll manage Burns Canyon run?

He should do OK, depending on whether he knows how to drive it. The trails that make up that run are bumpy, rocky in some places but not hard core. It earns its "Medium" designation just barely. There are some spots where 4WD will be needed but even with open diffs there shouldn't be much problem. My advice though is the same as for every run, from the easy ones to the hardest. Make sure your shit is in good working order (including the cooling system), and bring a tow strap and make sure it can be securely attached to both the front or rear of the vehicle. If he has those things sorted out, if he needs a little tug here and there he should have no problems.
 
to those who will join us for the run (wild horse to coon creek) we will have goody bags and a raffle. so please sign up so we know what to expect.
 
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to those who will join us for the run we will have goody bags and a raffle. so please sign up so we know what to expect.
Oscar it might be a good idea to let folks know which run you're talking about LOL. This thread covers all of the Friday runs :)
 
Anyone got 2 seats open for the Sidewinder run? Richard Gutierrez wife is taking their rig on the ladies run and him and his son would like to join us on Sidewinder.
 
I'd like to lead the run to Bronco Knoll on Friday (in lieu of leading Clark's Grade since it looks like it will likely be closed) if there's any takers.
 
ATTENTION: FINAL RUN DETAILS & ALTERATIONS

With Bronco Bash now only days away, we had to make some last-minute changes to certain runs due to lingering trail closures. Please check your selected runs for each day and note the changes. For a couple of the runs the staging locations have also changed.

Here are the ALTERATIONS for the FRIDAY RUNS

  • The OVERLAND TO BIG BEAR run has been re-routed due to the continued closure of Clark's Grade and some trail scouting by @KCgerum. See the run notes in the second post in this thread for details of the new route. Note that the STAGING LOCATION HAS CHANGED (it's only a few miles from the original staging location). The departure time is still 9:00 AM. Also note that our original Run Leader has had to bow out due to unforeseen circumstances so this run currently has no Run Leader and is listed as DIY. If someone would like to step up and lead it let me know and I'll put your name on it. I'll have a GPX file for the route soon.
  • The CLARK'S GRADE TO BEAR CREEK run has been cancelled due to the trail closure. There were no signups for it yet so we didn't bother re-routing it. That run's former Run Leader, Randy Ludwig @Bukin'eer, has switched to being trail leader for BRONCO KNOLL. Thanks Randy!
Also note that all runs that did not have a volunteer for Run Leader have been changed to "DIY". That means you are still welcome to run it, but you will be on your own for navigation. See the note in the first post in this thread for more information about the runs designated as DIY.
 
Dusty,
Not sure if Spyder is on the forum but he would like to join in on the Burns Canyon run if its possible.
 

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